EP 8 - Mariah Carey (1990)

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Oh, this is why Mariah Carey's Mariah Carey, because she sounded like this, you know? So I. I didn't. I didn't know. So when I heard that, I was an instant fan, and I just thought her voice was perfect. [00:00:12] Speaker B: Cam's a stand down. [00:00:14] Speaker A: I'm a stand down. [00:00:15] Speaker B: I love it. I love it. [00:00:16] Speaker A: We love Mariah. We love Mariah. [00:00:18] Speaker B: Let's move on. [00:00:19] Speaker A: Yeah, sorry. I'm so, so. Hello, hello, hello, and welcome back to Diva Decoded. [00:00:45] Speaker B: What are we covering today, Cam? [00:00:47] Speaker A: We're covering, actually one of my favorite albums of all time, Mariah Carey's debut. [00:00:55] Speaker B: Yes, this one was incredible. I was just telling Cam beforehand that I actually had never heard this album before. [00:01:03] Speaker A: That's crazy to me. [00:01:04] Speaker B: Like, I didn't know any of the songs in this album, and so, like, this was, like, a very lovely surprise. Whenever they talk about debuts, this is. And I say this. I have said this, like, a bit about some other artists too, but this one, I'm like. I wish I could, like, be a part of the experience of listening to this for the first time in that time period in 1990. So it was wild. This was. I was like, this is actually incredible. Like, I was genuinely, like, at every song. [00:01:30] Speaker A: Yeah. See, I think with this album, it was such a strong debut for Mariah and, like, bringing her into the world of pop music. And she was introduced and. And kind of compared to Whitney Houston, but I think her songs kind of spoke for themselves. And, you know, she had. She. She. She wrote her songs too, so there was, like, that extra layer to it. And were four singles released in the US on this album, and all four went to number one, which is crazy on her debut. So. Yeah, I don't know. I think. I think that's an incredible achievement. And just sonically, this album is Mariah at her purest. Like, it's. It's vintage Mariah. Like, I. I don't know this. This particular album. I just have so much love for a. [00:02:23] Speaker B: You should. I wish you guys could see how much Cam is beaming right now. Wait, did we cover Mariah before? [00:02:30] Speaker A: No, this is our first time covering Mariah Carey, and this is, like, one of the reasons I want to do this podcast, because to get to talk about someone like Mariah, because, like, we've been kind of putting it off, like, to build some anticipation, darling. [00:02:43] Speaker B: No, it's. This is also. This would be our second person that recovering from the vocal trinity. [00:02:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:02:50] Speaker B: So, Whitney, you paved the way. Mariah, you're next. And really excited to cover this One. [00:02:55] Speaker A: Yes. So, by the way, wink, wink. Another member of the vocal trinity is coming soon. [00:03:00] Speaker B: Coming soon to theaters near you. [00:03:02] Speaker A: But, yeah. So I don't know, I just think this album exemplifies Mariah Carey in her purest form. And I don't know, I just think it's a really, really stellar debut. [00:03:14] Speaker B: I don't know, it's just, like, something about it, like, listening to it. I'm just like, you had. You know that you came in with, like, such a bang, and you know that you're going to last. Like, there was no, like, hesitation. Because, like, I find that with some others, some other debut albums for people, obviously, they're, like, trying to start off. And I actually found that with Madonna. [00:03:35] Speaker A: That makes sense. [00:03:35] Speaker B: She was just trying to. She was trying to find her sound a little bit. There are points in songs that I was like. Or remember. I remember us covering her album being like, a lot of the songs sound the same, but, like, I remember, like, listening to some of the songs and being like, you still sound a little bit unsure of yourself, but I know that you progressed from here. Whereas Mariah, she comes in, she's like, I'm. I'm here and I'm here to stay. [00:03:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:03:58] Speaker B: And I think that's just, like, something so magical about this album and excited to dive in. [00:04:03] Speaker A: Yes. Okay. All right. So first song on this album is Vision of Love. What do you think, Nelly? [00:04:19] Speaker B: Okay. Because one of my favorite songs by her, and I know my sister can also test this because it's one of her. It's her favorite song by her. Oh, Holy Night. [00:04:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:04:27] Speaker B: The moment I heard the snap, snap, snap, dude. Snap, snap, snap. I'm like, yes. This is like. I can see. I can see that. The theme in some of her songs, and it doesn't sound repetitive. It doesn't sound boring in the ways that she repeats different styles in her music. But this one, oh, my God, I adored. I really did like this. And having, like, the beginning sounds so mystic. Yeah, it sounds like. I don't know why. It made me think of, like, similarly to the Bodyguard, like that gray mist in a warehouse or. It wasn't the Bodyguard. It was Janet. Janet, Janet. Of, like, a warehouse and, like, gray and black in the beginning. And then the air clears and it's all pink and roses. [00:05:14] Speaker A: Yeah, I. This one definitely provides a strong visual. I think the music video. But you haven't seen the music video. Nelly didn't even know which ones were singles. Okay. [00:05:24] Speaker B: Yeah, that's true. Actually. [00:05:26] Speaker A: She didn't know but that's okay. That's okay. I mean, I feel like it's nice because. I know, but you don't. So it's like you are coming to each song with an unbiased perspective. Right. [00:05:36] Speaker B: This is school. Like I'm like, I feel like I'm. I'm being brought to school. [00:05:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:05:40] Speaker B: In a good way. [00:05:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:05:41] Speaker B: Like I'll actually show up to class. Unlike in track too. [00:05:47] Speaker A: Oh my God. [00:05:49] Speaker B: I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. I'm done, I'm done. [00:05:51] Speaker A: Okay. [00:05:51] Speaker B: Maybe another reference later on. [00:05:53] Speaker A: Okay. So, I mean, for me, I think what shines the most about this song is her vocals. It shows every. And this was, this was her debut single and it shows every part of her voice. It shows the, the full lows, it shows the high belts, it shows the whistle to. There's obviously mid notes in there. But I just think like this is such a good debut single for Mariah Carey because. Shows all her strengths and everything she's capable of. And also it's a kind of like an R and B kind of song. And I don't know, it still managed to go to number one on the pop charts, which is very cool. But I don't know. Vision of Love is just one of my favorite songs by Mariah Carey. [00:06:40] Speaker B: You could see. I always say this every single time, but I wish you could see Cam's wall. Like the second, the second vinyl on his. On his wall is the COVID art of Vision of Love. [00:06:51] Speaker A: Yeah, it's the 12 inch vinyl I have. I have all the 12 inches from the debut album on my wall. So I love takes time someday and there's got to be a way. I guess you'll know which ones are singles now. [00:07:02] Speaker B: Lol. [00:07:06] Speaker A: But yeah, so just this song, I. I mean, I could go on forever, but I think it's just gorgeous and it's such an interesting song lyrically and you really get that full tone. That's what surprised me about Mariah Carey because before I became a lamb, because I'm a huge lamb, I made documentaries about Mariah. Check out my, check out my documentaries. Realizing a dream. Look it up. Mariah. Well, they're. No, they're about the story of her. How she rose to fame and everything and how she kind of paid a price by getting romantically involved with Tommy Mottola, who was the head of Sony Music. Anyway, it's a whole thing, so this could be a little bit of a longer episode just because I have so much to say. [00:07:47] Speaker B: I'M like, I'll let you take it away. [00:07:50] Speaker A: I was surprised because before I became a lamb, I only knew of Mariah's voice now. And she still has a beautiful voice now, but it's not as full and rich as it is in this debut album. So I was just, like, completely taken aback by it. And I was like, oh, this is why Mariah Carey's Mariah Carey, because she sounded like this, you know? So I didn't. I didn't know. So when I heard that, I was an instant fan and I just thought her voice was perfect. [00:08:19] Speaker B: Cam's a stand down. [00:08:21] Speaker A: I'm a stand down. [00:08:22] Speaker B: I love it. I love it. [00:08:23] Speaker A: We love Mariah. We love Mariah. [00:08:26] Speaker B: Let's move on. [00:08:27] Speaker A: Yeah. Sorry. I'm so sorry. No, no, no, no. [00:08:30] Speaker B: Don't apologize. It's so funny. So I'm just like. I'm like. I could see. I'm like, I know, I know. We're going to talk about this song for 10 minutes. And I'm like, let's move on. [00:08:37] Speaker A: Okay. No, no, you're right. [00:08:38] Speaker B: I'll be your first AD today. [00:08:39] Speaker A: Thank you. The next song is There's Got to be a way. What'd you think? [00:08:45] Speaker B: You know, I love songs about let's come together, guys, and let's try and be better people. Not me, though, but all of y' all stink. And I just. I just love that. I know that she wasn't saying that, but I know that she was. But, like, I just. I'm a sucker for those that 90s cheesy 80s really influenced cheesy message in songs that. It's like, I don't know. It always just brings me back to Janet Jackson being, like, illiteracy. [00:09:14] Speaker A: No. [00:09:16] Speaker B: And so, like, I don't know. That's why I'm like, I knew this was gonna be one of my favorites. The moment I heard those words, I was like, yeah. And funny enough, never usually a words person. As we mentioned, I think you're more words on more music. [00:09:28] Speaker A: Well, I could listen to the words if I like the music. [00:09:32] Speaker B: That's true. That is true. The music does influence that a lot. But I was already hooked with the music. But then, like, listening to the words where she's like, kumbaya, guys. Kumbaya. And I'm like, oh, my God, I love that. I just. I'm just like, that's so sweet. [00:09:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:09:46] Speaker B: And this one is, like, instantly one of my favorites on the album. [00:09:49] Speaker A: This very much her man in the mirror, we are the world thing. [00:09:54] Speaker B: Surprised she wasn't there. [00:09:56] Speaker A: She wasn't. She. This. She wasn't out yet. [00:09:59] Speaker B: Oh, my God, I'm so embarrassed. I forgot that was the 80s. [00:10:01] Speaker A: She was literally in high school. It was 85. That we are the world came in. [00:10:05] Speaker B: Damn. Oh, my God. I completely forgot. That was not. Maybe I'm thinking of the 2010 remake for Haiti. [00:10:11] Speaker A: Oh, I think maybe she was. I know Celine was there. [00:10:15] Speaker B: Celine was there. Oh, no. Yeah, that's so. I'm so embarrassed. This girl was literally the child when that studio recording was happening. [00:10:22] Speaker A: We're on a tangent. Sorry. [00:10:23] Speaker B: I know now you're my first dating. [00:10:25] Speaker A: What do you think about the climax? Because for me, for a long time, I actually didn't love this song. I just loved the climax. Now I love the whole song when the key change happens. Yeah. [00:10:36] Speaker B: It wasn't me being like, what's the climax? It was me questioning, why didn't you like the climax? [00:10:40] Speaker A: No, I love the climax. It's just everything before I found a little bit bland compared to that part of the song because that's just such a. Like, I love hearing Mariah's vocal gymnastics and, like, all that. So that, for me was like the best part of the song. So I was like, why am I waiting through the rest of this song to get to that? So. [00:11:01] Speaker B: But I like the anticipation, like, listening to this. I listened to the song a few times, funny enough. Had to re Listen to it a little bit just to refresh my mind. But I think there's a level of anticipation, and that's what I loved about some of these 90s songs, is that the key change doesn't happen until so close to the end. And I think that was similar to this song too. But I think this one, it showed to the world that this woman is capable of a key change. She's capable of many key changes if she needs to. That's such an intriguing choice, to put that right. The second number, not the first and not near the middle or not through the end. Right. The second song, you're like, here I am, and I'm making a key change, making an interesting choice. And for many people, this could have been detrimental for people to be like, okay. Because I have heard some key changes in which it's like, why'd you do that? Like, why did you choose that? But this one makes a lot of sense. [00:11:53] Speaker A: That's how I feel about the how and how will I know key change Just because it goes lower. I don't understand it. I never got it. I was like, why is it Going low. [00:12:01] Speaker B: I did remember you saying that. I'm. I'm a fiend. I'm a fiend for lower key changes. I think people should do that more. [00:12:08] Speaker A: That's the only time I've ever heard one though. [00:12:10] Speaker B: Really. Yeah, yeah, Nobody really does it. I think I remember listening to it a lot in like some like songs like growing up in church. Something about a lower key change is just like you don't expect it and then you just listen to it and you're like, whoa, okay, this is so random and so cool. I really, really like it. [00:12:27] Speaker A: She hits a really high belt to note in the song too, which I. Which I really love because for me, like, honestly, like, I like the whistles, but they're not what makes those happy chemicals go off in my brain when I listen to Mariah Carey. It's those high belts. It's those belts. Yeah. That get me. So. Yeah. I don't know, I just think this is another. I think all these songs are just made to show off her incredible vocal ability. And I just think it sounds like it's so easy for her in the studio. Like it. It sounds like no difficulty at all pulling off these really high notes. And yeah, I mean, it's so funny because I. I think about these songs all the time. But now, now that I'm talking about them, I don't know what the fuck to say about them. So to be honest with you, I don't know what to say. So. But I do love the song and I love the 12 inch remix because like I said, I have the 12 inch on the wall. There are some outtake vocals that are. Because you know how there's like the fade out at the end. When artists record the songs, they record actually vocals a lot further than that so that they can have it fade out. So they. They put some of those cut vocals back in the 12 inch remix. So yeah, and it sounds more like New Jack Swing, the. The remix. So I really like that version. [00:13:47] Speaker B: The something about a fade out is just like. I remember I used to think I was lazy. I used to think it was like, you guys are going to figure out an ending. Fine, whatever. Let's just make this fade out. And I actually used to be against them, but more recently I'd actually say, actually more recently, whenever I hear fade Out, I'm just like, I like it me like you and like this song specifically, it's like her like, especially with the message too. And I'm sure I don't. I don't think they look this far deep into it. But I'm just like. It's like she's like literally calling out to the masses and like hoping that somebody can join in her in the message. But nobody joins. Nobody cares about holding hands, caring for each other. [00:14:28] Speaker A: I just thought they didn't know how to end it. [00:14:30] Speaker B: No, that's. I'm like for. For. For a lot of songs I just thought that was just always a easy way out. And some you can tell. There's some that I'm like. You guys could have figured out an ending, please. But for this one, I liked it. I actually liked it. [00:14:44] Speaker A: Yeah, I think it's cute. I like the fade out endings, but I am kind of prefer hard stops because I think you could be more creative than a fade out. But I think for this song it works. But should we move on to the next song? [00:14:58] Speaker B: Let's do it. [00:14:59] Speaker A: So far we've only covered singles. This is another single. I think it's I don't want to cry. Yes, it is. This was the fourth single from the album. Also went number one. What do you think about it? [00:15:13] Speaker B: I loved the guitar. [00:15:15] Speaker A: It's like Latin. It's like do you know my all by Mariah? [00:15:20] Speaker B: Sing a little bit of it. [00:15:21] Speaker A: I'd give my all. [00:15:23] Speaker B: Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. Oh my God. [00:15:25] Speaker A: It's kind of like a prelude to my all. [00:15:27] Speaker B: Okay. [00:15:28] Speaker A: I think. [00:15:28] Speaker B: Yeah. It remind Toni Braxton. That's what I was thinking of. The unbreak my heart. That's what I thought of when I heard the song. [00:15:37] Speaker A: We need to cover Toni Braxton because I have not gotten into her enough. [00:15:41] Speaker B: She's amazing. [00:15:42] Speaker A: She is. [00:15:43] Speaker B: She's incredible. I really did like it. This one wasn't one of my favorites. I wouldn't list it as one of my favorites, but this one was, I think really, really incredible. I imagine that she's like having a cardigan. She has a cardigan on and she's like pulling it over her chest tightly. It's like a little bit of a cold falls night and she's walking through like a tight street. [00:16:03] Speaker A: That's so funny. I think that's like the imagery of the video. Like she literally has a cardigan or something on. She's in like farm fields though, or for that. But it's like it's. It's somewhat similar, I think. [00:16:13] Speaker B: I think I directed it. [00:16:14] Speaker A: You did. [00:16:15] Speaker B: I did. [00:16:15] Speaker A: You were you. You came from the unborn. [00:16:19] Speaker B: I did. [00:16:19] Speaker A: 1990. I love that for you. [00:16:21] Speaker B: No, like, I'm like. I think this one is just like it. There's a sense of loneliness in this song that I think projects really well. Yeah, I have no bad notes about it. It's just not one of my favorites. [00:16:35] Speaker A: I don't know if it's one of my favorites, but I love it. I love every song on this album, but. And I love that it's a power ballad and it shows off her voice so well. I do think there's a version, a live version that she did in 96 in Tokyo that is amazing. You should go listen to it where she. She kind of does it better live. And this wasn't a song she liked to perform live because she didn't have a lot of control over the writing process when she was making it. Like, she kind of got overpowered a little bit because she was a new artist. So this is a song that Mariah doesn't really like now and doesn't really perform now despite it being one of her number ones. But I think it's just a great showcase of her voice again. And I don't know, I like the Spanish influences in it and I think it's cute. It's a good, like, I will never not like a Mariah power ballad. So this is cute. Yeah. [00:17:30] Speaker B: Funny enough, this song, this album actually defies what I usually love. You know, I'm a ballad gal. Yeah, I love my ballads, but I think my favorites on the songs are the upbeat, like the fast tempo ones. Yeah, yeah, we'll get more into it. [00:17:45] Speaker A: Well, speaking of up tempos, the next track on the album is Someday. This is another single. [00:17:52] Speaker B: This one is fun Again, not one of my favorites, but fun. I like this one. [00:17:56] Speaker A: Cute. [00:17:57] Speaker B: It reminded me of, like. And I think I'm being influenced by the COVID art, but just like a fun night out. [00:18:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:18:04] Speaker B: I'm like. I imagine that she's, like, singing this song and, like, marching in the streets with her heels on and she's just ready to hit the town. This one's fun. [00:18:15] Speaker A: Whitney's behind her with a bat. [00:18:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:18:18] Speaker A: Celine is there too, with a gun. [00:18:20] Speaker B: I love it. No, I love this one. [00:18:22] Speaker A: Yeah, No, I think this one is really cute. I. I really like this song. I think, once again, just like, there's got to be a way. There was a remix, a new jack swing version, which I think is very good, if not superior to this version. This was also number one hit. And. Yeah, I just think, like, I don't know, I just like the. I just like the new jack swing integrated into it. I think it's fun and I don't know I just, like. I like the message of the song. I think vocally, it's amazing. I love the. The bridge part where it's like, don't. Sorry. It's like, just think again and Wait, what is it? Just think again. Cause I won't need your love anymore. And she hits the high notes. [00:19:04] Speaker B: Killed that shit. [00:19:06] Speaker A: I know. I'm a good singer. [00:19:07] Speaker B: You are. [00:19:08] Speaker A: I can't help it. I think we should move on. [00:19:13] Speaker B: You know what this song makes me think of? [00:19:14] Speaker A: What? [00:19:15] Speaker B: You make me feel like a natural woman. [00:19:18] Speaker A: Oh. I've never thought of that before, but that is actually very true. [00:19:22] Speaker B: That's why I like this one. Like, I imagine the moon and a sunny day, A rainy day. It's just. I think it has that, like, Aretha influence in it. [00:19:33] Speaker A: That's true. She has cited Aretha as one of [00:19:36] Speaker B: her influences, so I'm like, this one is nice. I really do like the choir, like, backing her up. And I love how isolated the music sounds. It's just like. Just a piano. [00:19:47] Speaker A: It's very intimate. [00:19:48] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's like. It does add a level of intimacy. I imagine that she would perform this in, like, a residency somewhere with, like, a. Like, a private venue you need, like, $80 million to enter, and she's performing for some really rich guests at a hotel, like Beyonce did. But, yeah, I imagine that there's a level of exclusivity to the song where she's inviting people into her world, but only select people and likely rich people. But that's so random. Like this one. I imagine a red dress. I imagine gloves. I imagine, like, champagne, you know, Champagne, darling. Chardonnay, actually. [00:20:29] Speaker A: Chardonnay, darling. [00:20:31] Speaker B: Chardonnay, darling. [00:20:32] Speaker A: When I think of this song, I think of the live performance from her TV special from. From this album called the First Vision. And she sings it live in a little club, and it's just gorgeous. And they're like roses and, like, with the. The lights, and she's wearing, like, a. Like a goldish green dress, and it's just very cute. And I just think vocally, it's astounding. It shows her at her. I mean, craziest. Like, she's holding these notes for a really long time, and you could kind of hear that pure tone shining through in her voice. So I just think it's a gorgeous song. And, I mean, I like the intimacy of it. But, I mean, I think I. I'm more astounded by the vocals than I am moved by the lyrics personally. But, yeah, that's my. That's. That's really what I'd say about vanishing. I love this song. [00:21:24] Speaker B: Yeah, this one's beautiful. It's really, really gorgeous. [00:21:27] Speaker A: Shall we move on to the next track? All in your mind. [00:21:30] Speaker B: I find this, the chorus more memorable than the verses. I mean, oftentimes you'll find that too, with a lot of songs, but this one specifically, I had to, like, re. Listen to the verses again because I was like, how does the verse go? But I love the rhythm change into the chorus. It's. It's like, try not to bop your head challenge. Like, it's like you're lit. Like, it's like the groove of it is really, really, really nice. Like, addictive. I don't know how to describe it, but yeah, I do. I really do adore this song. It's just a shame because I'm gonna. I wish I, Like, I knew the verses as well as I did the chorus, but the chorus really, really sticks out to me and it just has a really nice grip to it. [00:22:08] Speaker A: Yeah. And I like the message. Like, hey, if you're ever overthinking, because I tend to overthink you're good. Like, everything's all good. It's just kind of like a relaxing sentiment, which I like. [00:22:19] Speaker B: Just keep breathing and breathing. [00:22:22] Speaker A: Breathing harmony. [00:22:25] Speaker B: She was inspired by Ari, actually. [00:22:27] Speaker A: Oh, no. But don't say that. Don't say that. Just kidding. [00:22:31] Speaker B: Just kidding. [00:22:31] Speaker A: Sorry. Yeah. And I mean, I like the song. Is it one of my favorites? Probably not, but I really enjoy it. And I think when people think of the debut album, they think of it as being, like, very, like, slickly produced by the, like, top producers at the time. So, I mean, when I think of that part being an aspect of the album, I think of this song. Like, the song is so slickly produced and a little bit over produced just with some things. I like it, though. Like, I'm here for it. But you'll. If. When we cover the next album Emotions, you'll see that subdued compared to this album because they were trying to make her commercial success. Right. So they were trying to get the best producers and add as much as they could to make it a success. So. But yeah, yeah, I mean, it worked. [00:23:20] Speaker B: It worked. [00:23:21] Speaker A: I do think. I do think the whistles at the end, they're very impressive. But I think she did better in the. Then also in the first vision, she does like a live bit where she just sings the whistles from this song. And I mean, those sound better than what's on the album, in my opinion. Nelly has no idea what the fuck I'm talking about. But listeners, go check out the first vision. You'll know what I'm talking about. All right. What did you think of the next track on the album, Alone In Love? [00:23:52] Speaker B: This one I kind of forgot about. I think it's a good song. Like, I don't think there's. Like, I had said, I don't think there's any song on this album that I don't like, actually. But this one, I think, is a little bit forgettable. I'd probably skip the song if I were to listen to the album in full. But compared to other people, like, a lot of, like, I've heard worse. That's what I'm trying to say. [00:24:15] Speaker A: No, that's fair. [00:24:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:16] Speaker A: I think, too, this is a more forgettable track on the album. And I think I Love this album. 100. I love this album so much. But I just think at this point, it kind of goes into a bit of a lull where I'm just kind of like, okay, like, these next couple songs, like, they're good. I like them, but they're like. They're not to the level of some of the other tracks on the album. You know what I mean? And they're a little bit less distinct. So. Yeah, that's really all I have to say about it. [00:24:44] Speaker B: No thoughts. [00:24:44] Speaker A: She wrote this in high school. Fun fact. [00:24:46] Speaker B: Yeah. When Camp told me that, I felt so unaccomplished. I'm like, what the. I was drawing an eye in, like, science class. [00:24:54] Speaker A: I love that for you. [00:24:55] Speaker B: That's all I was doing. [00:24:56] Speaker A: Well, Mariah didn't really go to high school. She would skip a lot, so they. She got the nickname Mirage because she was never there. [00:25:05] Speaker B: I love that. Yeah, well, I was not called that. I was just called Lazy. [00:25:11] Speaker A: You were called Nelly. [00:25:12] Speaker B: Thank you. Thanks so much. [00:25:13] Speaker A: You're welcome. [00:25:14] Speaker B: Let's move on. [00:25:15] Speaker A: Okay. The next track on the album is yous Need Me. [00:25:20] Speaker B: I adore this one. [00:25:22] Speaker A: Really? Yeah. [00:25:22] Speaker B: This one, I'm just like. Both the message and the music. The music. It had some Janet influence I found. I'm like. It's like the minor key for me because I'm like. Whenever I think of Janet songs, I immediately think of minor key because I'm like. She's like the grunge. And, like, when everything of grunge, it's like, you're probably gonna be singing in a minor key. But, like, what? So this one, I'm just like, oh, okay. And then the message, too. She's like, let's not forget I'm Mariah. [00:25:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:25:51] Speaker B: So this one, I'm like. I really do like this one. This one's fun. I definitely, like, play this when, like, I'm dealing with a guy and I'm just, like, forgetting that he wanted me first. [00:26:01] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:01] Speaker B: And he's treating me, like, as if I wanted him first and, like. Let's listen to the song, shall we? [00:26:06] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, the song has a nice attitude. [00:26:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:10] Speaker A: And I think, like, this is one of the only Mariah Carey songs with some kind of rock elements, you know, because it has the guitar in the beginning. [00:26:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:21] Speaker A: So. And I think it has a guitar solo. Like, it's just very out of character for her, at least, because, like, they were trying different things on her debut. Right. So. To see what. What fit. But, I mean, I think this one is cute. And. Yeah. I mean, that's all I really have to say about it. But, I mean, it is a bit badass, like the lyrics. [00:26:43] Speaker B: But no, this one's fun. I think this one's, like, a lot of fun. And I feel like. I imagine that she had fun recording this one, too. [00:26:51] Speaker A: Yeah, I think so as well. The next track on the album is sent from up above. [00:26:58] Speaker B: This one's from one of my favorites. This one's fantastic. [00:27:01] Speaker A: That's so funny that you love this one. [00:27:02] Speaker B: I love this one so much. Just from the beginning, I'm just like, oh, this one's gonna be. It reminded me, you know, High School Musical 2. [00:27:10] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:27:11] Speaker B: When they're banging on the pots and pans. [00:27:21] Speaker A: Sorry. [00:27:22] Speaker B: You know that Cam played Chad Danforth. [00:27:24] Speaker A: I did the original. [00:27:26] Speaker B: Thank you. [00:27:26] Speaker A: Yeah. I was 7. They had to put, like, a suit on me to make me look bigger. [00:27:31] Speaker B: This one's a lot of fun. This one. I. I grouped to it really well. I think, like, even with just, like, the vocals, like, the background vocals, too, it just, like, amplifies the song so well. And I love her vocals on this song. [00:27:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:27:45] Speaker B: I'm like, this one, it's just. I don't know. This one's just so fun. It reminds me of in that's a Raven. I have a lot of, like, TV and Disney, mainly Disney references because Sister Act 2 is also associated with Disney. Oh. But basically, in that. That's the Raven, there's an episode in which she gets Devon a big card and her head just like, miss me. Wanna kiss me, miss me. And it's like a bobble kind of head on the card. And there's just like, something so, like, innocent about it where she's like. Like, Just like blowing a kiss. And I think that just reminds me of that. That was a very weird comparison. I'm just realizing now that I say that out loud, but this song just like, feels like. Just like blowing a kiss. [00:28:24] Speaker A: Yeah. I think it is cute. And, like, because Mariah Carey believes in God and like, I. I'm not a huge, like, religion person, but when Mariah sings about Jesus, I'm like, yes, Jesus. [00:28:37] Speaker B: Like, like, he's like, yes, sir. Yes, sir. [00:28:40] Speaker A: Yeah. So I don't know. I just like. And even if you're not religious, it could be like, you know, sent from the universe or whatever it is you believe it could. It could kind of carry into for you. But, yeah, I don't know. I just think it's kind of a. Like a sweet song. And I think she sounds gorgeous on every song on this album, to be honest with you. I think Mariah Carey is the definition of sounding perfect on an album. Like, she sounds perfect and everything that I think. And I think that's what she's strived for her whole career is to sound. Have her vocals be perfect. But I don't know, I just think that's. That's something that's notable about her. And her vocal delivery is that it is very, very, like, precise, if that makes sense. [00:29:29] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, this one is like, it just made. I loved it so much. It's like I imagine that she's stealing a letter with a kiss. Like, just like genuinely. Or like spraying perfume on a letter. [00:29:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:29:39] Speaker B: Or something. So it's just like something so innocent about the love, too. That makes me, like. That just reminds me how young she was when she wrote this too. Or like, when she was performing on this album. [00:29:50] Speaker A: So the next song on the album is Prisoner. What do you think, Nelly? [00:29:55] Speaker B: It's so funny that I needed a refresher to listen to because this was literally my favorite song on the album. [00:29:59] Speaker A: That's so funny. [00:30:00] Speaker B: Yeah. This one, it just like, just the beat in the layering of different sounds on this album, on this song specifically, I'm just like, this is perfect. This is masterful. This is like they should teach a masterclass on how to like, bring different sounds together to use it to be able to just, like, sound. So, like. I don't know. I feel like I'm just out of. Out of words for a lot of these songs. But, like, this one specifically, like, I was listening to it and I'm just like, this is so good. So good. And I found myself. I was so embarrassed because I was on the Subway. Listening to this again and I found myself, like, moving my feet. It was packed, it was hot, and I was, like, bobbing my head. And then I saw this child looking at me and we just had the staring contest. So maybe it wasn't that embarrassing because I. It was a child, but it was just like. I think this is the kind of song where, like, it's. Again, try not to bop your head. Challenge. Like, this is just so good. But, yeah, I think I'm out of words. Similarly to what you were saying before, like, when you adore tracks or something, so so much that you have trouble describing how you feel about it. And that's me. But the song, I'm like, this one, I love. I love, love, love, love, love, love so much. [00:31:12] Speaker A: Yeah. I think Prisoner. Prisoner has always been a standout to me and one of my favorites from the album. I just think vocally, it's incredible. And that note where she goes of your love, I just thought that was incredible. And I mean, I think. I think this song, too, lyrically is a little bit. What's the word? Like, sinister. Because she was 20 years old at the time, and she got into a relationship with Tommy Mansola and he would eventually control her life and try to destroy her career. And she was so controlled, she couldn't even leave her house for a long time. And there were security guards everywhere armed with guns. And, like, there were cameras in every room of her house. Like, mics bugged, like. So she literally became a prisoner. So I just think that it's. It's. It's interesting on the debut album that there's a song about this. So, Yeah, I don't know. I just think that that's what I think about whenever I think of this song. And little does she know what she was getting into, because when I think of Mariah, I so much think of her story. And she eventually did get out of the marriage, but it took years. She was in that relationship for eight years and got married to him and all that anyway. I just think that's an interesting aspect of song. Also. She raps on this song. You. Maybe you don't think that'd be strong enough But I won't be the prison baby of your love I know you lying denying all of your actions so listen up. So here's my reaction, bitch. I mean, you'll never hear Mariah rap again. [00:32:47] Speaker B: This. I'm wondering if I can convince her to do that. [00:32:49] Speaker A: I think she's embarrassed about this song. [00:32:53] Speaker B: This one's so good. I'm Gonna talk to her. It's okay. [00:32:56] Speaker A: Okay. We're friends. Me and Mariah. [00:32:59] Speaker B: Mary and Carrie. [00:33:00] Speaker A: Me and Mariah. [00:33:01] Speaker B: Owen, Mary and Carrie. No, this one is just so good. Like, I genuinely like, this one makes my heart pump in the best ways and, like, knowing the message behind it, like, what you're saying and, like, how or like her personal life, which is going through at the time. I'm just like, oh, that's so devastating. This is a bop, this one. This song is so, so, so good. And I do it so much. [00:33:23] Speaker A: Yes. All right, shall we move on to the final track on the album? [00:33:28] Speaker B: Final, final, final. [00:33:29] Speaker A: Love Takes Time. [00:33:31] Speaker B: Loved. So fun fact. Cam had messaged me when we were trying to. When we were deciding on the album we're going to cover, Cameron messaged me, and he's like, if you. You don't like Love Takes Time, then I'm quitting the podcast. And I made it my mission to dislike it. [00:33:48] Speaker A: Really. [00:33:50] Speaker B: I was like, okay, if he's saying that, I'm going to try and find things wrong with it so that I can bother him because, you know, I love to be a pesk. I love to be a menace, and I couldn't. I really liked this song. [00:34:03] Speaker A: Yeah. The song is fire. [00:34:04] Speaker B: It's so good. Like, this one is very high up there, and I love. And I love the choice to end it off with the ballad. [00:34:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:12] Speaker B: End off the album with a ballad. Because I'm like, I think she. She can master both. She can master upbeat. She can master soulful ballads. I think when I think of her, I think of her ballads. [00:34:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:26] Speaker B: So I'm like, this one is, like, kind of making her mark to see to. For everybody to know. There's more coming. There's more where that came from. [00:34:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:36] Speaker B: So this one, I really did endure. Endure. I endured the worst with the song. No, I really enjoyed the song. So that's me. Okay. [00:34:47] Speaker A: I love this song. To me, when I think of a ballad, this is the blueprint of it. And a power ballad, more specifically. I just think it's such a strong song. It was the second single from the album, also went to number one and kind of showed everyone, you know, that she had more than one hit up her sleeve, which I thought was very interesting. And, I mean, the video has such great imagery, too. It's her in a beach in the rain and. And all that. So I just think it's such a strong song. Such a strong song vocally, I think lyrically, it's like, it's. It's good But I don't think it's anything like groundbreaking, but I think it's very enjoyable. Like, I just love the song because you know what I love? I love me some good cheese, and this is just pure Mariah cheese. So I don't know. I just. This is just one of those songs that makes me happy to think about. [00:35:46] Speaker B: This one's a nice one. [00:35:47] Speaker A: Yeah. So I don't know. I. I just. I just love it. That's. That's my. [00:35:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:53] Speaker A: This song stance on it. [00:35:54] Speaker B: Well, I really, really do love this one. [00:36:03] Speaker A: So the music market at the time of release, I mean, it had. At this point, it had Janet Jackson, Madonna, Paula Abdul was big at this time. Whitney Houston, of course. [00:36:13] Speaker B: Did she ever cite any of these as influence? [00:36:16] Speaker A: Any of the people I just mentioned? Yeah, I don't. I think Whitney Houston was somewhat of an influence, but I think Mariah was influenced by the same people Whitney was, you know what I mean? Like Minnie Riperton, Aretha Franklin, Gladys Knight. [00:36:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:29] Speaker A: So. Oh, do you know the story of Milli Vanilli? So Milli Vanilli was this duo in 89, and they came up with. They came out with songs called like, girl, you know it's true. Ooh, ooh, I love you. [00:36:46] Speaker B: I think I know that one. [00:36:47] Speaker A: Okay, so they were. They were a huge duo, and it turned out that, like, they were a Swedish pop group or something, or German or something, and they didn't sing a word on their album. And they were just the face of Milli Vanilli. But the real singers were kind of hidden away and they signed a contract, didn't realize it, that they couldn't sing a word on the album and all that, so they had to lip sync in live performances. And I mean, I think people were started to get it when they realized they could barely speak English and yet they sing perfect English on the album. So they won Best new artist in 1990 and at the Grammys. And when it got out that they were lip syncing the whole time and it wasn't really their voices, they had their Grammy revoked. So in 1991, there was a lot of controversy around the award, and it was given to yours truly, Mariah Carey. [00:37:45] Speaker B: Well, if I say yours truly as [00:37:46] Speaker A: if it's you, it is Mariah. Hers truly St. So it give. I got it. It was my Grammy. No. Yeah, so she. She got the Grammy and she was kind of able to show that there's real talent in the industry. And I think not so much as much with Janet Jackson. I love Janet Jackson and Paula Abdul. But as for singer singers, you know, they're not the singer singer that Whitney Houston is or whoever, like Celine Dion also debuted that year. But, yeah, I don't know, I just think she kind of brought it back to real singing and real music, which, I don't know, I think is really admirable. And I don't know, I just think that the world was so lucky to have such a great talent to break out at that time, and they were ready for her at that point because, you know, the fad of something like a rhythm nation. I love Rhythm Nation, but, like, I think this album is way more timeless than that album, just because of. It's about the vocals. It's about that voice and connecting to it, as opposed to trends, which I think are also fun. But, I mean. Yeah, I just think that's what makes this album so timeless. [00:38:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:01] Speaker A: So the album success, I think it sold, like, 15 million copies worldwide. [00:39:05] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:39:05] Speaker A: Yeah, it is. It went to number one on the Billboard 200. Vision of Love, Love Takes Time, Someday, and I Don't Want To Cry all reached number one. There's Got to Be a Way. It was released instead of I Don't Want to Cry in the uk, and I think it did decently well, but I don't think it was a hit there. I think they thought that would do better over there in the uk, But [00:39:27] Speaker B: I really do wonder what life would have been like listening to this on, like, a tape. [00:39:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:39:31] Speaker B: Like playing it in a car. I just think that we're robbed of that opportunity so much back when I was your age. But I think there's just a level of urgency in listening to this that I think I would have definitely appreciated at the time, knowing that this is a fresh, new talent. Get with it. Get with it now before. And try and buy her concert tickets now before she becomes even bigger than, you know, anything. So I'm just like. I think, like, I would. I would have loved to been able to just, like, pop her in the car. Pop her specifically in the car. [00:40:14] Speaker A: Shove Mariah into the little thing. [00:40:16] Speaker B: Shove her into the back of my Pinto. [00:40:20] Speaker A: Nelly's gonna kidnap Mariah Carey. [00:40:22] Speaker B: Confirmed. [00:40:23] Speaker A: FBI, watch out. [00:40:24] Speaker B: Confirmed. So, like, I think there's just, like, a level of that that's just, like. So I don't know, like, I just wish that I was able to, like, have a car, first of all, be alive at the time, have a car, place her in that car, and just listen to her. [00:40:40] Speaker A: She's talking about the cassette, not Mariah by the way, it's funny, I actually did listen to not the album vinyl, but I listened to the Love Takes Time single vinyl today at work because they let me spend my vinyls and it had Love Takes Time on it, obviously vanishing and alone in love. And yeah, it was just very. I think it was alone in love that are you need me? But it was. I kind of had that experience today and I don't know, it's just very nice and kind of like a classic way to listen to it. And I mean, I spin this album all the time at work just because it's such a good, well rounded album with so many different songs. [00:41:18] Speaker B: Cam's a dj, I'm a dj. The way you said spin the track, I'm like, yeah, you're a dj. [00:41:23] Speaker A: Spin the track. [00:41:24] Speaker B: Okay. [00:41:27] Speaker A: Should we move on to the artwork? Yes, you can look at the artwork on my wall. [00:41:33] Speaker B: Quite literally. I love that her curly hair, Curly Raya. Like, actually, I'm just like, it's just like so gorgeous. Like genuinely so, so, so, so, so gorgeous. And so signature too. Like such tight curls and like having, I don't know, just like the little spit Smokey rubbed a little bit eyeliner. But her lashes look so full and so big and like the ambiguity of her race, it's like, like, what's her background? Where's she from? [00:42:05] Speaker A: Yeah, you don't know. But she's. She's mixed race if you didn't know. [00:42:10] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. But at the time I imagine that people are like, okay, she kind of sounds black. [00:42:17] Speaker A: Like that's what everyone said they were like, she sounds black, but like she looks lighter. So it's like people didn't know or replace her. And she kind of looks Italian. Like she could be Italian. So it's like you don't know. But I don't know. I don't know why that was such a topic of conversation at the time. [00:42:35] Speaker B: But I think also like even realizing it's like, would she have had as much commercial success if she was dark skinned? Because like, at the time there was Whitney and you know, the industry could only make room for one dark skinned black woman. And so like, if she had been dark skinned, I genuinely don't think that she would be because, you know, knowing that they also compared them like all the time, which is why their duet was so iconic because they're like, we're joining forces. We're actually like on the same team. Obviously. No bad blood or beef between them. They loved each other, I think. But I Think her light skinnedness definitely did play a role, like if we're being candid in her success. But that's not ever to erase any, that's not any form of ratio for her talent. Like her talent stood the test of time and stands for its in its own realm. But I do believe that if she had been the exact same person but dark skin, I don't know if she'd actually have as much commercial success. [00:43:35] Speaker A: That's an interesting like point. I don't know. I think, I think she did have a huge barrier of people being like, well what is she? She white? Is she black? Like it was such a huge thing. Like we're even still talking about her race now. [00:43:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:50] Speaker A: But yeah, I don't know. So she had that really to get over and she grew up with that and it was kind of a thing her whole life that she felt weird about and didn't know how to handle. But I think like, you know, any great music will transcend whatever racial barriers there are in the music industry. Like, such as, like the R B category. Yeah, like. [00:44:14] Speaker B: Yeah. I think the reason I say that because I'm just like, I know colorism, I mean colorism is still very much alive and rampant today. But like especially during that time knowing like how much they upheld lighter skin folk as opposed to dark skinned folklore. And so like I'm like, I. That's why I'm like, I do, I, I do get concerned knowing that like, I mean I'll never, I didn't live during the time of Whitney. I think she had to be perfect in order to actually be accepted. [00:44:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:44:44] Speaker B: Similarly to Janet was at the time she was. People were still considering her Michael's sister. And then she's like, let me show my talent. I'm not just Michael's sister. Lauryn Hill similarly too. Like she endured a lot of colorism as well during the time. Again she came a little bit after. But it's still like you think of that and you're like, wow. Like it's. She, like it's just, it's just weird knowing how like the times, the times were and like the social, I guess the, the social talk during that time. But yeah, no, I think that definitely doesn't, that definitely doesn't provide erasure for everything that she is. Mariah is that girl. Yeah, that girl. G W O R L But it's just interesting to think about. I'm just like, I'm like looking at this now, I'm just like, she's gorgeous. I wonder if she would have been received this well if she were dark skinned. [00:45:35] Speaker A: Well, also another interesting thing about Mariah Carey's career. So as her relationship with Tommy Mottola progressed, she, her hair was straightened and like by 95, I mean it's kind of, she was even more ambiguous, if not like white looking. And her sound was very, I mean, you know, once we day and like fantasy and Always be my baby. There's a little bit of RB in there, but it's like it is not hip hop, which is what she wanted to do and that's what she ended up doing with Butterfly. But that was all kind of stamped out of her. Well, I, which I mean in terms of the music, this is gonna sound crazy, but I think that's more interesting than if she got to do whatever she wanted from the get go because she has a musical journey and she's fighting for getting to do the type of music she wants to do. So when she finally does it, we get Butterfly, which is her magnum opus. Right. So I don't know, I think, I think Mariah Carey is interesting in terms of race and stuff because she's biracial and Tommy Motolo is a white dude. That was always a huge aspect of who she was and what she was made to be and, or not to be or, you know what I mean? [00:46:54] Speaker B: Speaking of magnum opus. What's your magnum opus, Cam? [00:46:58] Speaker A: My magnum opus? What, like my album? [00:47:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:03] Speaker A: I don't, I don't make music. [00:47:05] Speaker B: Like, if you were to, if you were to, if you were to create music, like if you were to, let's say that you could choose five different songs for Mariah. [00:47:15] Speaker A: Uh huh. [00:47:16] Speaker B: And have that, let's say that Mariah's not in the picture. You actually wrote them. This is actually you, you're actually Mariah, by the way, five of her songs and you're like, let me just release this ep, but it ends up being like breaking the stratosphere. What would you add to this? [00:47:31] Speaker A: Well, I'm just gonna say my favorite Mariah songs. [00:47:34] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:47:35] Speaker A: So Music Box, the title track from Music Box. You're putting me on the spot. Three, three. [00:47:44] Speaker B: Limited release. [00:47:45] Speaker A: Make it happen Live at Madison Square Garden and without you. Live at Madison Square Garden. [00:47:54] Speaker B: Interesting. That's a very short ep, but yeah, that's very, very said. [00:48:00] Speaker A: Three songs. [00:48:00] Speaker B: I know, I, I, I realize I'm like five, but it's fine. [00:48:03] Speaker A: Better, I guess I am a big music box, Stan. But like, I don't know, I just love ballads. Like they just made her be more ballady. In terms of, like, Tommy Mottola, like, they made her more like Celine Dion, and she wanted to be very like R B and like hip hop. [00:48:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:21] Speaker A: But they made her more like Celine, which is very adult contemporary. But I love me some adult contemporary now that me some R and B and hip hop, so I'm happy no matter what you like. [00:48:32] Speaker B: Just clapping along. [00:48:33] Speaker A: It's all Mariah, baby smile. And it's all Mariah. So anyway, I think we should move on real quick. What do you think of the single artwork? Do you like. What's your favorite single artwork right now? On my wall I Vision of love. Love takes time, someday and there's got [00:48:45] Speaker B: to be a way probably there's got to be a way. [00:48:47] Speaker A: There's got to be a way. Yeah, that's what Alex said, too. [00:48:50] Speaker B: Yeah. I think, like, the. The arm on the head, like, she [00:48:54] Speaker A: looks like she just cured cancer. [00:48:56] Speaker B: Yeah, she does. Yeah. Yeah, she. She knows, but she's not telling anybody. [00:49:00] Speaker A: She knows the cure, but she ain't telling nobody. [00:49:03] Speaker B: She's gorgeous in that. And just like the half open smile, because you can also see that in the. The first one as well. [00:49:10] Speaker A: I think that's an outtake from the album cover shoot. [00:49:13] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, you told me that. I'm like, that does make sense because it's the same outfit, but, like, I think that one is just, like, it's. It's just gorgeous. Like, it's really, really pretty. What's yours? [00:49:27] Speaker A: Probably Vision of Love, just because it's so iconic. Like, just her with the microphone, like, that's such an iconic picture of her. [00:49:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:36] Speaker A: And. Yeah. Okay, so the impact of this album, I mean, it established who Mariah Carey was. She went on to have 19 number one singles. I mean, it. It pushed the. It pushed pop music in more of a direction of soul and R B and ballads. And I mean, I mean, the ballads were already popular, but, you know, it kind of furthered that popularity. And everyone knows fantasy. Everyone knows all I want for Christmas is you. Like we belong together. Like, there's so many classic Mariah Carey songs, and this is just the start of that. So I think it's funny that you didn't know any of these songs because any of that. Well, I mean, she has so many huge, like, songs that it's like, how are you supposed to know them all? Like, you know what I mean? So, yeah, I just think. Yeah, bitch. [00:50:24] Speaker B: You're like. You are just like common folk. [00:50:27] Speaker A: Like, how do you, like, not know Prisoner? Okay, so should we. I mean, we already talked A lot about this album's impact. Should we move on to naming our bottom two and our top three? [00:50:40] Speaker B: Let's do it. This is really hard, but I think the very bottom one is just probably Alone in Love only because that's the one that, like, I forgot the most. But it's still good. Like, it's still a really good song. And then it's really hard for me to say this, but the one, like, right above it is probably. I don't want to cry. [00:51:01] Speaker A: Wow. [00:51:02] Speaker B: I know. I know. I just. Like, it's hard. Like, I'm like, it's not. It's nothing about level of goodness. It's nothing about it being bad. It's more so just like, okay, what is. What can I like? I like others better. [00:51:18] Speaker A: That's fair. [00:51:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:20] Speaker A: Okay. For me, my least favorite is also alone in love. And I. And I love every song on this album. Like, I love it so much. I've listened to this album a million times. I think it's all amazing. Like, when I say this is one of my favorite albums of all time, I mean it. Like, it's on my wall for a reason. Like, I literally bought the 12 inch singles. You have no idea how much money that is. Like, you know as well I was [00:51:43] Speaker B: crying, as you said. [00:51:44] Speaker A: Like, you need to love the album to do that, so. But alone in love is just one of the least memorable ones for me. And I don't think it vocally crazy stands out either, but it is a very good song, and I think my. The one that's a little bit above it for me would be don't do it. Maybe you need me. Like, I. Like, you need me, But I don't know. I just think it's a little bit. Like, the rock isn't my thing. I think it's cute, and I think she sounds good on the song, and I like the attitude. Like, I say I love. I love all these songs, but I just think, like, I like the other ones better. And for. I don't want to cry. What'd you think I was gonna say something from up above? [00:52:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:52:26] Speaker A: Yeah. No, I was thinking about it, but I know I love sent from up above too much because I think it's such a. It just has a very positive energy. So. Yeah. And I don't want to cry. I love. I don't want to cry, so I'm definitely not gonna put that in my bottom, too. [00:52:40] Speaker B: So personally, he's like, I'm not a loser like you are. [00:52:43] Speaker A: I'm not a. All right. So what is your top three? Nelly. [00:52:48] Speaker B: So third place for me is Love Takes Time. [00:52:51] Speaker A: Awesome. [00:52:52] Speaker B: Is so good. [00:52:53] Speaker A: Good. [00:52:53] Speaker B: Like, it's a really, really, really good song. What's your third? [00:52:57] Speaker A: My third would have to be probably Love Takes Time as well. [00:53:02] Speaker B: It's really good. [00:53:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:53:04] Speaker B: All right. Second one sent from up above. [00:53:08] Speaker A: Wow. So much love. Okay. My second favorite, I think it would have to be Vision of Love because. [00:53:19] Speaker B: Okay. [00:53:19] Speaker A: I think that's such a stellar song and the live performances are just. They give another dimension to the song. I mean, I. It's. It's lucky that it's a single and that she kept, like, doing it live for years for there to be kind of that extra element of the song and have the song evolve over time. So, yeah, I. I love Vision of Love. [00:53:40] Speaker B: The fun, fun fact, actually, about myself, I had trouble choosing between Set From up above and There's Got to be a Way. And it's funny because There's Got to Be a Way isn't in my top three anymore. But, like, at first I was like. When I first heard There's Gotta Be a Way, I was like, this is so good. Oh, my God, I love it. And it's still so, so, so good. But I think I got bumped down after I listened to Love Takes Time. But, yeah, I think Something from above is my second favorite and my top. Do we have the same top? I don't think so. [00:54:08] Speaker A: I don't think so. [00:54:08] Speaker B: Okay. My top favorite or my top favorite? My favorite on the album is Prisoner. That's not how the song goes, but it's amazing. I love it so much. [00:54:19] Speaker A: I love it, love it, love it, [00:54:19] Speaker B: love it, love it. [00:54:21] Speaker A: Okay. I mean, my favorite is always changing because I spend so much time with this album. This one of my favorites. So right now, specifically because of the 12 inch version, and it's. There's Got to be a Way. And I love the original too, but I just think it's such a powerful song. I love running to it because it's just fills me with so much, like, energy and it's such a powerful vocal and, like, it. It moves me, like. And. Yeah, I don't know. I just think it's amazing. [00:54:52] Speaker B: It's really good. It's so good. [00:54:54] Speaker A: Yeah. So I appreciate it. And it's something because I. I never used to really like this song, but now I. I really appreciate it. Just, like, it's message and it's. It's vocal and it's because of me. Yes. It's all because of Nelly. [00:55:08] Speaker B: Always. [00:55:09] Speaker A: It's her we are the world moment. It's cute. I don't know she really did another song like this in her career. But, like, I mean, I think you only need one. [00:55:16] Speaker B: She stopped caring about people, and that's fine. [00:55:17] Speaker A: So everybody. [00:55:19] Speaker B: Actually, I think we should all be alone. And I'm like, yeah, you're okay. [00:55:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:55:22] Speaker B: Yeah. That is all of our rankings. If you don't agree, then you're wrong. So don't even bother disagreeing with us. [00:55:30] Speaker A: Okay. Okay. Oh, now we have to grade the album. Three, two, one. Diva decoded this one. [00:55:44] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, it's funny because I'm like, it's. I'm coming with an unbiased view. Like, I'm not coming with a sense of nostalgia. I'm just being like, I loved this song growing up, which I feel the grand majority of her songs is the same thing. For me, they're still amazing, but I think it. Nostalgia has to play with it too. Whereas this one, I'm like, I literally had a fresh set of ears coming into to this album, and I just knew that this is, like, I can hear some, like, how people can take this as influence for future artists. This is incredible. Like, this is. This is it. Like, this is it. [00:56:19] Speaker A: Yeah, this is what you want when you come out on a debut. Like, the. She showed people that she was here to stay, and she has been. She's been here for 33 years now, like, and she's as big as ever, especially around Christmas time. Christmas is a little tired now. From where I. In my opinion, I'm kind of over it. I need a new album. [00:56:43] Speaker B: Defrosting. [00:56:44] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, she goes away to the ocean for the summer or for the rest of the year, and then she comes out for Christmas. But, yeah, it's cute. It's cute. I. Why do I just say it's cute? I love this album so much. It's more than cute. [00:56:59] Speaker B: Cam's like, it's okay. [00:57:01] Speaker A: No, but I think it. I think it revolution revolutionized the pop industry. And, I mean, the timelessness is in her voice. And I just think she has such a rich, almost heaviness to her voice. Like, she sings more like Whitney on this album than in any other album because her voice kind of changes to. It lightens up as her career progresses. So that just thick, full tone, it's just something that I love about this album, and it's a standout. And, yeah, that's my. That's my opinion on Mariah Carey's debut album. [00:57:32] Speaker B: Love you, Mariah. Answer my text. [00:57:35] Speaker A: All right. Thank you for listening to Diva Decoded next week. I don't even know what we're covering. I don't know how we're going to release this. [00:57:42] Speaker B: You'll see it. [00:57:43] Speaker A: Whatever. Next week. Check us out. We'll. [00:57:45] Speaker B: Yeah, it'll be a fun one. [00:57:46] Speaker A: We'll put something out. [00:57:47] Speaker B: Yeah, we'll put something out. I promise. [00:57:48] Speaker A: All right. Thank you for listening to Diva Decoded. Bye, [00:57:56] Speaker B: Sam.